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Thursday, April 9, 2015

Responding to a Misleading Article - " Why Christianity failed in India ? "


My feeling after reading this:  Whoever wrote that piece appears to be under serious pressure of meeting monthly conversion targets.

Few facets of the arguments mentioned were deliberately given a spin to meet some perverted desires of the writer.  It would appear as if Missionaries are doing this job because they are trying to bring heavens on the earth by next month and this is being obstructed by Hindutva Groups.

I am not discussing on this entire article, but only on few segments.

1. Comparison of Hindu population in UK with that of the Christian population in India by %age is an attempt to fool the gullible reader. Are we comparing two countries one being India which has a billion plus population and UK which has a population of 64 Million? 2% of 64 million is not as same 2% of billion. The writer is well advised to take some statistics classes instead of hiding behind percentages.

2. Proselytizing as such is not the issue. But when you do it at an industrial scale by fooling uninformed but good hearted people by giving those crumbs and preaching them to abuse Hindu culture to prove the worthiness of Christianity is an issue. The whole North-East insurgency is directly linked to Christian-Missionary activities. Additionally the writer is well advised to read about the views of Ambedkar & Gandhi on Christian missionary activities.

3. On the question of whether Hinduism was also proselyted or not. It is not in the culture of a Hindus to slit the throats of people belonging to other cultures either because they have not converted or did not agree with Hinduism. The bloody history of Christianity is an open secret and is there for all of us to see. We have had Popes splitting the world in to two giving one part to Portuguese and the other to Spain as if they have inherited it from their grandfathers. Hindus believed in global commons. Long before the world knew who Jesus was we have had a thriving civilization in India which is still on.

4. On Hinduism's spread in South East Asia - People have voluntarily accepted Hinduism. Nobody was slaughtered to accept Hinduism.

5. The emergence of Buddhism only proves the Liberal qualities of Hinduism. For Hindus Buddha is another yogi, another rishi who attained salvation. There are hundreds of such accomplished yogis in Hindu culture. Hinduism is a religion of thousand prophets. Hindus have never felt the need to go around lying and giving money & other allurements to convert a poor guy in to Hinduism for the purposes of political control. Another advise for the writer is to know how Adi Shankara brought India from Buddhism to Hindu fold with out raising a finger, but through debates and arguments.

6. In post-colonial world Christianity is a tool to spread Imperialism. Its only business is Political Power. Hence it assists in the spread of imperialism in a benign way as the papacy believes that it cannot hold inquisitions or slaughter millions just like it did in USA for the purposes of conversion any more.

7. Hindutva is only a reaction to the murderous activities of missionaries, be it Christianity or Islam. It urges Hindus to organize politically so as to save themselves from the cheap tricks of Christian missionaries and Islamists.

Friday, March 20, 2015

Indians: Argumentative versus Opinionated

There are different categories of people in Indian society. These categories I am talking about have got nothing to do with categories or groups that fall under the head - sociological but it is purely psychological. Sociological/Social groups are for example caste groups, religious groups and others. At least arguments or debates with such groups will be blunt and clear as the one who argues with them knows in advance what their stand is on a specific subject, and the possibility of obfuscation is minimal or none.

I shall explain these groups/categories in terms which we can easily understand and relate.

Category 1: Those who say that India is a pathetic country. Every invader who came here for pillage & plunder has helped us improve from being a highly pathetic society to a less pathetic one. Let’s see some clichés which people use who fall under this category.

  • Thank god, Greeks invaded and enslaved us. Because of which we have learnt logic. Otherwise we would have been stupid.

  • You know, if Mughals did not invade us we would have never learnt how to make Chicken Tikka & Kebab. So I salute Mughals.

  • Thanks to Brits, we now have post offices, Railways, bridges & high-rise buildings. Most importantly they taught us English along with morals and a great religion through missionaries. Otherwise we would have been a bunch of idiots worshipping rocks, monkeys and idols. Thanks to Lord, they have given us Jesus. 

Category 2: Those who say that India is a best country in the world, and there is nothing wrong here and they say India is shining. There will be no need for any clichés because for them nothing is wrong with our society. These people will normally will hold their allegiance to a political party. For example, when BJP is in power, if you speak to a hard core BJP supporter he will say that “India is shining” and there is nothing wrong with India because all is well. When Congress is in power if you talk to a hard core congress party supporter, he will say that India has become a super power and all other parties are communal, we are the only secular party in India etc.,

Category 3: Though I am tempted to call this category as neutral, rational and objective, but they are not completely rational. Because Humans will never be completely rational. There is nothing called as rationality, but bounded rationality, says Herbert Simon, Nobel Prize winning Economist. Read his paper here  to understand as to what is Bounded Rationality. So, though in a way people who fall in this category are relatively better than the two categories mentioned above, they are not completely neutral. Because they will have a soft corner to a particular party or ideology, even though they don’t agree with them completely. Let’s take my example I have a soft corner for BJP at the moment when compared to the positions of other parties on subjects like national security etc., I go along with BJP but not on everything, but still have a soft corner. If not on all the occasions most of the times discussions will be driven by facts rather than by unsubstantiated opinions & obscurantism. 

In this occasion I will be my own judge and say that I fall under this category3. Because for most of the opinions I rely on facts. If I say that both LTTE & Sri Lankan establishment are equally responsible for the sufferings of Tamils, I will cite at least few facts to support my argument, instead of making claims out of my hat. If a person who falls under the category1 have to speak on this issue, he will blame either Sri Lanka or LTTE as fully responsible with least regard to facts but not both. LTTE sympathizer might just say that Prabhakaran was a freedom fighter notwithstanding the atrocities for which he was responsible, and a Srilankan supporter would just dismiss him as a terrorist. Truth may be in between? So, I claim that I fall under category3. Jury is out.

In my opinion we’ll be tempted to debate with people who fall under category1, because we fall in to the trap as we feel that they are sane and at first impression appear to be category3, but actually you can reason it out with category2 not with category1.

Let’s me quote few types of people who fall under category1. Most of the people who have secured a good social status through reservation, yes I am talking about a group which was institutionally oppressed i.e., Scheduled Caste/Scheduled Tribe group. For our discussion here I am referring only to those who fall under the definition of category1, not all.

The reason for undertaking this painful exercise to explain the categories is to explain and share my experience of a conversation I have had with a person who falls under category1. Yes, the type who says that we are better off today only because of British. What appalled me was his reluctance to accept facts contrary to his beliefs and passes judgment only based on his experience. I sympathize for the sufferings he might have undergone, but his personal suffering is not enough to pass a judgement on a whole society which is saner, civil and forward looking, at least on a relative basis.

Let me briefly explain the profile of the person with whom I have had such a conversation. He is a Professor and Head of the department in a reputed university and claims to be teaching for the past 30 years or more. He is about to retire say in a year. An SC/ST who reached where he is now partly because of the policy of reservation or quota system. He is bustling with his prejudice towards Caste Brahmins. Of course he claims to be a victim of caste Brahmin bigotry. Normally he does not take pride in anything good about in India, even on our achievements, past & present. Everything that has gone wrong with this country he sees it through the prism of Caste Brahmins oppressing SC/ST groups.

The conversation started with his prejudicial statements that in those days Brahmins would pour melted copper in the ears of Dalits if they dared to study or educate themselves. For a very long time I have tried to find an evidence on this claim as this was not the first time I have heard such a statement, but I could not find any convincing evidence so far. Even if we have to agree with that statement for a moment, is this what India all about?

Without answering that question directly, I brought up the issue regarding the documentary made by BBC on 2012 Delhi gang rape case and the innuendos suggested in that documentary. I told him that, while rapes are bad and it happens in India too but neither all men are rapists or ours is a society of rapists as suggested by that documentary and tried to convince him that his example was also something like that. And apprised him with facts that the incidence of rape is much higher in western countries when compared to India. As per the official figures, every 25 seconds one woman is sexually harassed in US and in every 6 minutes one woman is sexually harassed in UK, by that I don’t mean that we are better off. Even if it is going to be one rape, we are ashamed of it as a society. But that one rape does not define our identity.

I further added that I have completely agreed with him on the question of discrimination of Dalits primarily by caste Brahmins and conversation is sealed as we have no differences on this subject.

But he was not convinced and went on and said that it is only because of British we are here not otherwise. Then came his clichés which I have explained in the introduction about the people who fall under category will normally use, that he is thankful to British for railways and buildings etc.,

I replied that I disagree with him on this and argued that he should read and understand the theories of Brain and Economic drain. The whole budget of England was based on the resources looted from India, such was the amount of limitless resources she had. Not long ago during Vijayanagara Empire Rayala seema (plains of stones) in Andhra Pradesh was called as Rathanala Seema (plains of diamond). Every piece of visible wealth was taken away from here. In 2000 years of recorded history (read Madison project) India was an economic power house for 17 centuries in a straight contributing towards nearly 30 % of global GDP consistently, only as a result of systematic exploitation of British we came down to 1% at the start of 20th century. Without British we could have been better off. Though the Chinese were colonized by the British the Chinese never say that they are grateful to their colonizers. Why is it in India we have people praise British for what they have done? The answer is we are psychologically still slaves and we need to break these chains of slavery.

By now he is completely lost his posture and shot back that in China there was no caste oppression. I was getting bored by now, as he clearly lacked intellectual depth in his argument and completely handicapped by his casual opinions which is the result of hearsay & anecdotal evidence.

I humbly retorted “Sire, do you know nearly 33 million innocent people were killed in China during the Cultural Revolution! Doesn't that count as oppression to you? He replied, “No that is different”.

I don’t want to elaborate here on every thing we have discussed but only few important ones. Few things he said about Christian missionaries and their assistance to us. He declared that we are stone worshippers and not wise people etc and Christian Missionaries have helped us. I replied that if a religion or ideology has to be evaluated and a judgement needs to be passed we need to consider its history. A woman was not even treated as human being but slave and how the church persecuted scientists is an open secret, some were burnt alive just because they went against church, and you should really have credentials to preach. But in India Science & religion complimented each other, they were never at war with. Ours is an advanced thought process, but we have our own pitfalls and we agree that. Hence we don’t go to Saudi Arabia or Europe and say that Islam & Christianity is non-sense, your gods are false gods, why don’t you accept ours? But every other murderous crook who came here from these countries told us exactly that.

Then came his sexist remark, women in Europe are white and beautiful and that is why they wanted to keep them as slaves and women here may not be that beautiful. That is what he implied. Already it has been two hours since the start of this conversation with him. Only after that sexist remark I have decided that I might be wasting my time and offered him for a full day discussion on another day so that I can prove him wrong. He was not ready for that, as he said that he does not have a full day. He is nearly 55 or 60 years old and a Head of a Department in a university, and his ego is badly hurt. In all these hours I have not heard one single sane argument. In addition to the arguments I have explained in this write-up I have quoted many other examples to prove my points, but not discussed here all of them for the sake of time and space.

I have told him that it is certainly true that caste Brahmins have discriminated Dalits, but that should not become the only reason for him to hate India and I also said that “I disagree with your theory that only because of alien invaders we are better off”.  After that we have said goodbye to each other, as the discussion was reaching nowhere.

In conclusion all I would like to say is, that it is tough to help people who fall under the Category1 to come out of their mental prisons in which they are living right now, but it is not entirely impossible, and we should not stop trying. I have had positive results in the past. Just that this time I was stuck with a rigid old bird. 

Monday, March 9, 2015

Protecting Cow is a Gandhian Ideal

On the other day I have been talking to a journalist on the subject of new law that has been passed in Maharashtra and has received a presidential assent, yes a law that bans cow slaughter. The journalist with whom I was talking to declared that the act to ban cow slaughter was illegal and it is taking away her fundamental rights. But then I pointed out to her that stopping cow slaughter is something that is enshrined in our constitution, i.e., in the section of Directive principles of state policy. For which her response was right to eat anything was her fundamental right that right trumps Directive principles of state policy. Though I have tried to convince her by arguing that there is something called as judicial review and Directive principles trumping fundamental rights is inherently a flawed argument but she dismissed me as a person incapable of having a conversation on this subject. This is because I have questioned her beliefs. The purpose to explain this conversation is to highlight how less informed or partial our so called intelligentsia in their assessment before passing judgements. 

Those who question this act should ask themselves one question. Have I accepted Gandhian principles? If the answer is yes, then there should be no objection to the ban on cow slaughter. Though it is a different matter that by the very word “Ban” people who are inspired by imported ideologies like communism go ballistic and shout over their voices that it is against their dietary habits etc., we shall conveniently ignore such a nuisance as it is completely democratic to ignore them.

Though it is not justiciable in any court for its non-adherence by state but the government in conducting its affairs must consider the Directive Principles as its guidelines based on which it should frame its policies. So any policy decision or act that is borne out of DPSP (Directive Principles of State Policy) is legal and stopping the cow slaughter is part of DPSP additionally it is also a Gandhian ideal, if we condemn this ideal we are essentially condemning Gandhi. In addition to banning cow slaughter there are other ideals that were close to Ganhi’s heart which are added in to DPSP by the constitution makers, creation of village panchayats for example.

During constitutional assembly debates Giani Gurmukh Singh Musafir (Representative – East Punjab) said:
I would like to say with all the emphasis at my command that these Directive Principles should be inserted under the Chapter on Fundamental Rights 
Such was the intention of our leaders on DPSP. Hence the arguments such as ban on cow slaughter taking away some one’s fundamental right are not only illogical but bereft of historical purpose envisaged by the legal luminaries who drafted our constitution

The fact that we have built our constitution by picking up the best available in the world is itself our expression of our power of assimilation, hence the incorporation of DPSP from Irish constitution. This is in line with our Vedic culture “let noble thoughts come to us from every side” – (Rig Veda 1.89.1)

Of course it is possible to see banning of cow slaughter through religious lens, but this debate is not restricted to just that. We shall understand the economics behind it. In his speech on Cow Protection in Bettiah on October 9 1917, Gandhi said:
This is not merely a religious issue. It is an issue on which hinges the economic progress of India. Economists have furnished irrefutable figures to prove that the quality of cattle in India is so poor that the income from their milk is much less than the cost of their maintenance. We can turn our gaushalas into centers for the study of economics and for the solution of this big problem. Gaushalas cost a great deal and at present we have to provide the expenses. The gaushalas of my conception will become self-supporting in future. They will not be located in the midst of cities. We may buy land in the neighborhood of a city to the tune of hundreds of acres and locate these gaushalas there. We can raise on this land crops to serve as fodder for the cows and every variety of grass 
He further stated that :
Cow protection is an article of faith in Hinduism. Apart from its religious sanctity, it is an ennobling creed
Such was the stand of Mahatma Gandhi as far as cow slaughter is concerned, so to call it as a violation of fundamental rights is not only incorrect but tantamount to calling Gandhi a violator of people’s fundamental rights


Individuals & groups with political motivations are bent up on to politicize what is essentially an apolitical issue by whipping up Muslim apprehensions and trying to equate it with Muslim rights or  minority rights, this not only amounts to political immorality but intellectual dishonesty. By and large Muslims are indeed willing to appreciate the religious sensitivities of Hindus with regard to cow slaughter as Hindus have been appreciating Muslim’s reservation about certain animals. Many states in India have laws that ban cow slaughter. It is a great tragedy that Congress led state governments play politics with this issue for the sake of vote banks. Also it is a greatest insult to Muslims as congress thinks that by such silly manoeuvres it can secure Muslim votes.

Ban on Cow slaughter will give a facelift to village economy and its self-sufficiency in addition to assisting the poor to pull themselves out of poverty and hunger, this will also lessen the burden of state in providing employment guarantees etc.,

Cow is rightly considered as mother; after all we drink her milk, even though we might have stopped feeding ourselves through our mother’s milk at an early stage of infancy, but we are fed by another mother - Cow through her milk until our death, also after death. The last thing we should be doing is to slaughter someone who has been feeding all of us like mother throughout our life. It is time to move beyond petty agonies and politics.

Other states in India should take the cue from Maharashtra and introduce state level laws banning cow slaughter or the central government should initiate the discussion for a central law banning cow slaughter.

Also Published in Niticentral Portal - http://www.niticentral.com/2015/03/15/maharashtra-cow-slaughter-ban-directive-principles-state-policy-306887.html

Friday, February 27, 2015

Debate like a Christine Fair

People of Orient in general and Indians in particular love a good argument not based on falsehood but facts, though I should be saying Hindus (instead of Indians) not saying here because Atheists and bleeding heart secular humanists might protest saying that I am taking away Minority (read Muslims) rights, though Muslims are not the only minorities, and I am not sure how my assertion of Hinduness has got anything to do with Minority rights. Well that is what seculars say! Though it is a different matter that few idiots in west think that they are the last batch of brilliant people left in the world. You see that is why they patent turmeric as their invention.

Recently I had a friendly duel with Christine FairIt started on her post on twitter regarding the recent Missouri shoot out.

She was trying to suggest or generalize this as an isolated man doing a mindless act; this is her assessment even before nobody knows about the motive including Police. Though all incidents of similar pattern in the past, be it Boston marathon bombings, fort hood killings or for that matter Sydney siege recently, all were motivated by Islamists or Islamic Jihad or simply Islamic Terrorism.

I was just replying that atheists like her rescue Islamists unknowingly by such sweeping unimaginative generalizations, though I have told her that this comment is not related to this incident. For which she said that not all Islamists are terrorists. Yes, correct but all terrorists are Islamists, I replied.

Then out of the blue she concluded that I am maligning the Islam religion and she declared that there are also Hindu Terrorists.


 I have been zealously maintaining the dignity of debate, but then she instantly dismissed me as a soapbox. I think this is how normally Atheists behave when they have no argument to make or they just lost one. Here is Tarek Fatah who does exactly that. Though it is a different case with Tarek because he is a self-declared Marxist. We know what they are.


Firstly I have admired her work on Pakistan, her recent book “Fighting to the End: Pakistan army’s way of war” which I have finished reading few weeks ago. The impression I had was that she would be objective with facts when her casual opinions are questioned. I was looking for a virile scholarship in her arguments but what I have got was vile bigotry in response. I am appalled by the behaviour of these PhD’s.





Hence I further questioned her to come up with incidents of Hindu terror, asked her to quote at least 10 and I have also said that she can include the Samjautha case which normally fancies Pakistan and Islamists of India. And I wanted to see what she has got to say on this. I was stunned by her conspicuous silence. Normally this is what PhD’s of west do when they fear of losing an argument.



I knew she had nothing to answer. Though she has blocked me on some flimsy grounds. But later it appears that she has cited LTTE as Hindu Terror and made few simplistic assumptions on Gujurat riots. I pity her ignorance.

I never thought she will bring her idiocy out in the open on subjects she knew nothing about. It is very clear that she is a half-baked crook on this subject when she says Tamil Tigers are Hindu Terrorists. Technically speaking she had nothing to cite on Hindu Terrorism apart from two sundry arguments that borders on lies and falsehood.

When it comes to LTTE, Prabhakaran was a self-declared Marxist/Communist, he being a Hindu or no Hindu makes any difference? People don’t call Islamic Terrorism just because of their whim, they (Islamic Terrorists) do what they do because of their allegiance to an ideology of death cult called Radical Islam which is structured and definitive. That is why it is called as Islamic Terrorism. It is not about being phobic about anybody or any religion. I think she has lost her way on this argument.

If she talks about Swami Assemanand and others then I would say that she is still living in her fools land. It has been argued in courts that Assemand’s confession was extracted through coercion and confessions made out of coercion will not be treated as an evidence or not enough to charge somebody, Section 24 Indian Evidence Act 1872.

After a losing an argument on Hindu Terror she conveniently chose to block me so that her PhD credentials can be saved.

This is the problem with academics whose scholarship is based on events not on some well informed theories; they react to how a specific act occurred not why. Hence their limited imagination and reliance on falsehood when they are cornered on issues on which they had nothing to say.

I do not fall under the category of normally what people think I fall under. I have already made my positions clear.


My advice to PhD’s of west is that if you don’t know about few subjects please admit that you have nothing to say and shut up. Otherwise people are going to know that you are a bunch of idiots.

Wednesday, February 25, 2015

Conservatism: Political V/S Economic

The rise of Narendra Modi & BJP through a historic win in May 2014 General Elections has in a way marked the end of Centre of left forces on the political land scape. But it is generally perceived that this has got nothing to do with ideological affinity between voters and forces of political right, but about economics. Hence the dichotomy of political right versus economic right must be discerned with in the Indian context.

While the imagination of communists could not go beyond the narrower theory of economic exploitation of human condition by capitalist forces, the admirers of Communism did not want to accept this political ideology as it is, hence they have customized this to their local conditions and called it as socialism. That is why you could see in the name of communism/Socialism people could do horrible things across the world. Be it the polpot in Cambodia, Stalin & Lenin in USSR and on the other extreme Cuba and Venezuela.

When it comes to economic right the debate was always between Free trade v/s state controlled economic systems. If we have to go by results of the past 50 years then free trade has won the game, notwithstanding the 2008 crisis. India has always been at cross roads. Even though the congress leaders were entrenched in Communist ideology and their visceral hatred towards Political-Hindu right, they were confused as to which path they should take. As they were already aware of the violence that was being committed in the name of communism throughout the world during their time, though they could not have acknowledged this publicly. Hence this confused approach of mixed method of economic policies.

The intention of such an approach was to use the best of both the worlds. The other way of looking at it is as indecisiveness of Congress leaders who ruled right immediately after India’s independence for a considerably longer period of time. The other phenomenon that the left could not explain was why until economy was liberalized there was no change in human condition in India? We should pursue some answers for such questions.

The primary problem was that the communist (Congress & allied) forces clubbed the economic & political ideologies in to one. Though an effective articulation of their political ideologies could have kept them in power for decades, but since there is no impact in the lives of ordinary people because of leftwing economics, people started rejecting Communists as a whole, the defeat of Congress in general elections is a compounded result of such an effect in addition to other reasons.

Indian political right is normally associated with BJP & RSS, in other words Hindu right. The Muslim & Christian right is hushed up as minority rights etc, which is not only incorrect but dangerous. First of all Muslim & Christian right has got nothing in common with Hindutva i.e., Hindu right. While the former talks about a theocratic state they later emphasizes decentralized polity. The Ramrajya which Mahatma Gandhi desired is an example of polity which Hindutva aspires to achieve, after all nobody can call Gandhi a communal.

But the economic right is totally different from political right. We can loosely call the economic right as the lobby group of free market, but it does not end just there. Additionally there is no political party in India that supports blanket capitalism; the problem has always been that of an effective regulation & implementation of rules and role of the state as an impartial facilitator.

For decades Congress and Communists have managed to morph two different strains of thought in to one calling it as political ideology and churning out political explanations for the economic condition of peoples without actually improving their lives. They instead chose to feed citizens with subsidies and other free sops with out empowering them by generating employment and other opportunities.

Political stability is possible only through economic stability. We have had examples of an ordinary citizen trying to assassinate American president due to frustration out of economic insecurity, read Charles J. Guiteau.

At the moment the media stirred up controversies are used to feed the prime time watchers with some propaganda that Political Hindu-right messing it up. We should understand that this in in line with a larger game plan i.e., to restrict the chances of coming back. This might create an impression that political left (Non-BJP) is having an edge over the govt. we should see that when the time is up to pass the bridge.

The economic right has given the government a long rope and is still with the govt. People are fine with this as long as there is an improvement in their lives economically speaking in a time bound manner and BJP might not want to wait for all the five years. The Govt. should expect more distraction from political left further for the next four years, this will continue until they are defeated more decisively in 2019 elections. Along with addressing challenges of Political left, the govt. should simultaneously deliver on the economic prosperity. We all know Modi is just good at that. We have seen it in Gujarat. India wants to feel it. 

Tuesday, February 24, 2015

Rescuing India's Secularism

Incidentally few days ago, (as we are in the midst of discussing about Theresa) I have been in a post office to send a register post. When I was standing in queue I have noticed the one standing before me in the queue with some money order forms. Then I casually looked in to his forms to see where he was sending as he asked for my pen to make some corrections, it appeared to be two orders each 50 RS is being sent to two churches in Kolathur, Chennai. Though I knew what this business is all about to an extent, I asked the person, to whom this meagre amount is being sent? He said, church.

Then he started saying Jesus is the saviour and every month we have to pay the money to the Church etc., Looked like he wanted a chance. Then I took my turn and informed that this concept of monthly contribution to church comes from tithe which is in line with old testament. ie., people should pay one-tenth of their earnings to church and there is no compromise on that, it was compulsory once up on a time in Europe, tithe was also considered to be one of the reason that sparked French Revolution. By now he appeared to be not interested any more in extending the conversion and he conveniently said that he had to go. He must have understood that this guy is a waste candidate and cannot be converted.

But in my I my mind I had larger questions, such as does the Govt. has any idea of how much money is collected and where and how it is being spent? Why cannot the Govt. take control of the finances of church and audit it ? Church is managed by Christians directly controlled by foreigners / Missionaries and Waqf property is managed by Muslims, but Temples are managed by Govt. mostly through religious endowment acts, then how can we can call India as a secular state ? Please understand what secularism is.

Missionaries seek donations from the natives and local population to make sure their psychological commitment is affirmed. Christian Missionary's dirty job does not end with converting a Hindu through crumbs, they have to make sure that the converted Hindu must remain a Christian. Hence getting money as a contribution to the church from the converts is an important strategy to sustain them. Ie., once you start paying on a monthly basis your association is further hardened.

To remain a Christian means you should possess some essential qualities, the convert should first denounce his hinduness completely. For example you have to give up all that you have been doing so far relating to Hindu religion and call Hindu gods as satans and say that people who go to temple are possessed by satans etc.,

I have seen it from close quarters when people do it. For example, in my in-law's house there use to be a maid, she is already 70 years old and a very staunch Hindu, all the time we can see her chanting a Hindu deity's name. Suddenly one day I heard that she threw all deity images from pooja rack on the road claiming that she has converted to Christianity, I really had no idea how these missionary crooks could do it. I am proud Hindu, in my pooja rack I have the photo of Jesus this never affected my routine at all. This dirty job of missionaries is possible with sustained campaign which is supported by liberal funding, sources are domestic & abroad mostly US and Europe. Rural India is directly threatened by Missionary activities. They are guillable but good and kind hearted people, this is used as weakness against them. The whole North-East insurgency movements have a direct to link to Christian missionary's activities.

As on the other day Prof. Vaidyanathan was talking about Stern magazine claim of 100 Million dollars which Mother Theresa collected in India was sent to vatican's bank ie., money collected in India apparently for which there is no accountability and congress Govt.. refused to look in to the details because it's motto has been to rule this country with the coalition of minorities.
Be it Tirupathi or other big temples, all revenues are accounted for then why not the money that goes in to church and Waqf?

The task of the current generation is to make this great nation of ours a secular country once again, as India's secular credentials were eroded by Nehru & Jinnah type politicians and Christian Missionaries. Hence the Govt.. should start by taking over the control of finances of church & waqf, at least audit the transactions and sources, too many things would tumble out of the cupboard once this is started. Secularism is a fundamental right, you know ?